Could a new economic alliance balance the US and China? 🎙️ Independent Thinking Podcast

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Would the world benefit from a new economic alliance to stop China and the US from undermining the global rules we all depend on – a new ‘third pole’? That’s the conclusion of a new Chatham House report published this week. How would an economic bloc like this work? Who could build it? And how would China and the US – even post-Trump – react to such a challenge to their power? Laurel Rapp, director of our US and North America Programme, talks over an audacious plan for a new world order with the report’s author and director of our Global Economy and Finance Programme, Creon Butler. They are joined by director of our Europe and Russia and Eurasia Programmes, Grégoire Roos. 📑 Read our report: Saving global economic governance from the 'Trump shock'. https://www.chathamhouse.org/2026/06/saving-global-economic-governance-trump-shock/06-how-should-third-pole-be-established Produced by Podmasters for Chatham House. #china #usa #ustradepolicy #chinatrade #globaleconomy #globalfinance #chathamhouse Read and listen to Chatham House's latest: 🔗 Comment | Global trade imbalances have changed since the 2008 financial crisis. Now they reflect new risks https://www.chathamhouse.org/2026/06/global-trade-imbalances-have-changed-2008-financial-crisis-now-they-reflect-new-risks 🔗 Comment | Global cooperation on nuclear disarmament looks even further away https://www.chathamhouse.org/2026/06/global-cooperation-nuclear-disarmament-looks-even-further-away 🔗 Comment | In the face of growing AI cyber threats, do middle powers have agency? https://www.chathamhouse.org/2026/06/face-growing-ai-cyber-threats-do-middle-powers-have-agency 📖 Magazine issue | Spring issue of The World Today https://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/the-world-today/2026-03 🎧 | The Climate Briefing podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-climate-briefing/id1500769861 🎧 | Africa Aware podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/africa-aware/id1551785390