Brené Brown and Maya Talk Heated Rivalry, Mental Spirals, & Moral Beauty | A Slight Change of Plans

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For years, Brené Brown’s research has shaped how millions of us understand concepts like shame, vulnerability, and resilience. So, as Maya prepared to launch her new book, The Other Side of Change, there was one person she knew she had to talk to. In this special conversation with early readers of the book, Brené and Maya explore why uncertainty rattles us, how it reshapes us, and what it reveals about who we are—and even take a quick detour to gush over the hottest show on TV. If you enjoyed this episode, check out Brené’s previous appearance on A Slight Change of Plans: “Brené Brown on Our Flawed, Imperfect Selves” In case you missed it—Maya’s book, “The Other Side of Change” is officially a NYTimes bestseller! Order your copy at changewithmaya.com/book, or wherever you like to buy books. #podcast #change #interview #psychology #lifechanging #uncertainty #heatedrivalry #whoweare Subscribe ➡️ https://bit.ly/3yWzX4r ABOUT A SLIGHT CHANGE OF PLANS Named by Apple as the Best Show of the Year 2021, host Dr. Maya Shankar blends compassionate storytelling with the science of human behavior to help us understand who we are, and who we become, in the face of a big change. You’ll hear extraordinary stories of change from celebrities like Tiffany Haddish, Kacey Musgraves, and Riz Ahmed, as well as real-life inspirations like Christine Ha, who became permanently blind in her early twenties and went on to win the reality TV show Master Chef; Richard Harris, the Australian doctor who rescued a boys’ soccer team trapped deep inside of a cave in Thailand; and Euna Lee, the Korean-American journalist who was held captive in North Korea for 140 days. The show also features science experts, like Adam Grant, Angela Duckworth, and Katy Milkman, who share strategies for how we can live happier and more fulfilling lives. ABOUT DR. MAYA SHANKAR Maya Shankar is a cognitive scientist who served as a Senior Advisor in the Obama White House, where she founded and served as Chair of the White House Behavioral Science Team. She also